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more time, trying to win back young voters who have plenty of reason to be pessimistic. we'll look at the hopes and challenges facing the newest loss generation. plus buck up, democrats. the white house telling the base to move past their disappointments and toe that party line. we'll talk about it, the e-team is coming up. kill a terrorist in back stan, stop a bombing in paris. that strategy for american predator drones. is it working as we escalate our activity in pakistan. the show starts right now. well, good afternoon to you. democrats in danger, as the republicans, of course, no prize. they at least have the advantage of not being in power. america's campaigner in chief going back to school, to so
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speak, this week to try to recapture the magic. tonight the president will be at the university of wisconsin in a speech the white house is calling newly tailoreded to the young votered who carried he campaign. a group of 17,000 turned out to hear the message of change, but if he's planning a personalized appeal, he might be start talking about jobs. that number has simply tripled. they continue to be the most disengaged politically. a new poll shows how half still, believe it or not, those numbers are optimistic. if they did vote, it would be much, much higher, and like many
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other americans, the george of young voters believe this country is headed in the wrong direction. now to say that sarah palin is the solution, but maybe she was right about one thing. all that hope-y-change-y still not working out. the money kropf virtually that happens, the bank reform, the war, energy, go down the list. joanings is jim van ihei, along with miranda smith. >> if you look at the polls data, the base, outside the organizations, the voters themselves still like obama. it's a smart strategy, to go where he can try to go to the base. they're not enthusiastic at this
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point. our poll shows exactly what our poll shows, they're not that likely to vote. whatever that number is, 50% is much higher, it's much lower than other groups. that's why democrats are worried. if they cannot stitch together the same coalition they put together in 2008, they're in r trouble. >> why the disengagement, heather? >> you talked about it? your introduction. these young people don't have jobs. when you go into the teenagers you're looking at 1 in 5 without jobs.
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>> if you look at the -- it's a direct transfer of wealth from the young to the old. the explosion in student dead, as we watch the average college tuition explode. obviously the banks system more than happy to make those loans, because they're nonresource, no matter where you go i'll collect the money. we're also bringing people into a country that has the largest rich disparity, so these people are being brought into a second coming of the gilded age where there's vast swaths of poverty in this country, the obvious manipulation of the government by money and student debt coming, you know, the biggest it's ever been. is there anything that you see that's achievable from this president, not even necessarily between now and the end of the election, but achievable in this presidency to diminish the
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obvious pain that's being inflicted on the young people in this country? >> listen, every single thing you cited is a reason young voters should care. i think the only way that the do that, the only way he engages on possible that then results in turnout if not this time is for people to feel like, one, their voice is being heard and that the process is changing a bit. two is like washington is no different. people look at washington and think it's a joke. they think it's disfunctional. and then they say, i give up. i don't want to be involved. if you go back to 2008, it wasn't like you saw a massive surgeon. you saw it in some places.
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>> some small and achievable that you think any group could do to indicate to young voters they're not as hypocrite cal, trying to screw their children, as they appear to be? >> the talk has to change what electrified these people is there could be a better future for them, but after the elections, it turned to excuses party pot tick, money and the corruption of special interests and corporate interests trumping their voices. if candidates and politics and the president steps up and start talking about the issues again that's what will change this. we're willing to work hard to
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achieve that vision, but june needs to get out there and lay that out. >> everybody says that. rock the vote says that all the time. all the groups say that. people at that age just aren't interested in politics. care about public policy that is relate to that. >> what about the during that period of time? >> that's the last time you did have people -- sure when you have a draft, that affects them in such a direct tangible way. >> the one thing, though, that we're seeing is that's a result of politics young people have been ig noir by those running for office. >> i don't know that they've been ignored. i think most try to reach out to them.
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most candidate will go for the people who turn out. >> isn't it a chicken and egg? how much of it is chicken and egg. >> if rock the vote was able to have more success than it's already had, the more influence that group has and the more they do turn out, then politics becomes responsive to them. >> i think it's a cycle that feeds itself. that direct influence and conversation with them makes politics more relevant. but coming out of 2008, where there was an increase in young voter participation, it had an outcome on the election, and inviting them to attend forums with, and with two exceptions we've been declined. even that participation hasn't yet encouraged the candidates to go out there.
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if you look at these statistics, it is a vicious cycle coming directly at the expects of the younger generations, but it's not felt on a day-to-day basis other than unemployment and student debt. thank you both for the conversation. jim, still around, if you don't mind. heather, i hope to talk to you more as we go into this election season. coming up on "the dylan ratigan show" drone attacks in pakistan, it is idea to stop terrorist bombings in france. or so they say. will it work? does it make sense? are we in the process of escalating our military activities, not just the drones? are we at the tipping point? jack rice is with us from the cia right after this. ♪ [ male announcer ] at ge capital,
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[ venus ] tails. [ apolo ] tails. welcome back. breaking down the the cia stepping up its use of predator drones. the most we have ever launched as a country in a single month. officials say it's an attempt to stop terrorist attacks in europe, which they believe have been directly tied to these pretty tore drone strike launches. anxiety running high, has led to
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repeated threats after a special package was found there. the pakistani government is protesting a rare nato attack insides its own territory, killing more than 7 on militants over the weekend. gen david petraeus as hinted as a widening war, one that could include ground operation in pakistan's tribal regions. one wonders as the statistics from manned aircraft to the sxlon and predator drone activities whether we are approaching the tipping point. we're joined by jack rice is or congent tur with you founded? >> i think a whole series of things, the use of predator drone the use of it four times over that during the bush administration. book woodward's book really
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coming occupy, running 3,000 manned private units based upon these allegations or reports, it seems we are starting to expand these operations and the implications of that? >> i think at the end, it sounds like the only like, we're going to fight them there so we don't fight them here. i think this is how it's playing out. in the short term it's designed to limit the capability of the taliban. the problem is it exacerbates the feelings in the region. >> if you were to look at the drone strikes. we have a chart, compared to under the bush administration, it's a startling explosion in
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the use of the predator drones. how do you interpret that data, nos just in the context of our work with pakistan, but as a tell to american foreign past. >> we have a critical problem here. we've frequently looked at the pakistanis as our closest ally in the region. they're number three behind the israelis we give them vast sums of money, but the problem is they've always been having to balance between their currying favor from the united states, and trying to at least tamp down on the increase in aggression and frustration from their more militant elements within pakistan. what it does is drive those more militant elements even further to the extreme, and may even take some of those moderates and drive them into that camp, too. in the short term, it might be
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fine, but in the long term this could get very, very ugly. >> which you look at the woodward book, and the obvious intense debate whether we should still be in afghanistan, what do you see as the greatest force chose who feel the least -- those who watch a show like this, relative to the election and middle east, is there a way for those who feel there must be a better way, must be a different way, a less inflammatory, less yippee kayai way, sort of a bad boy of gratifying this. is there a way to exert a countervoice? >> great question. if you look at what the republicans and democrats are say, it's almost the exact same thing.
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what you're getting is more people pounding their chest, talking about what it is we're capable of doing. i've been on the ground around the country. what i can tell you is regardless of whether we're operating in afghanistan or parts of the northwest provinces, this will be an incredibly difficult situation. my guess at the end of the day is this will not turn out well and then we all go home and say we won. remember, the focus is saying that we won. >> last question for you. are we making our country safer for our children? >> no, we are not. at least 1.5 billion muss we make mistakes like this, it makes it worse down the road even if we think we're making ourselves safer now. >> jack rice, thank you for the
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conversation and point the view. jack rice, contributor here and former operative for the cia in that part of the world. rethinking the way we teach. it's not just about about better teachers. no one spends more than we do, except iceland it's about revolutionizing or school, with insight to how people learn, not orders on how you must teach. a man who may be the strongest, nicholas negroponte, founder of one laptop per child, our guest here. ♪ [ man ] i thought our family business would always be boots. until one day, my daughter showed me a designer handbag. and like that, we had a new side to our business. [ male announcer ] when the martinez family saw an opportunity, the hartford was there. protecting their employees and property,
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>> let's create new evaluation systems that focus on continuous improvement and teacher performance. >> to better teacher evaluations, we're hearing a lot about the problems with our country's cool systems this we're, but are these truly the reasons that our education system is in trouble? or is it in fact more basic than that? a lot of learn happens without teaches. we don't want a learned society. in all due respect to korea, we don't want to emulate them. we want a creative society. we want a society where kids know how to think on their feet. >> that, nicholas negroponte, a thinking during on you fix-it week during the beginning of this summer, suggesting a
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entirely different framing and learning with all of our children. that and the fum way we teach our kids does not work, or at least not to the extent we would need it for for such a raptly changing world nick, a pleasure to have you back with us. if you look at the proposals from the president, longer school years, the tenure issue gets attention, randy weingarten saying we need to evaluate them better, do any proposals resonate that with you? >> well, all of those proposals are about making teaching better, and making the place one goes to school better what we
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want our kids to do is be passionate about learning. the learn is so fundamental, because it's not just learning something, but learning learning itself. >> how do you believe that path is created for this country? >> it's created in a number of ways. one of the ones we do in other parts of the work much less advanced than we are. we provide children in an environment where they can do things like write computer programs. that may be techie, but in fact they are learning learning itselves when you write a program, you have to debug it. as a child does that, they start seeing themselves, they start
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learning that debugs is in fact the fun part of learning, that making errors is how you learn which is something in school where we're talk making errors is bad. making errors is good, and we have to create a environment where people enjoy, look at and try to understand what seemed like an error, but may have been in fact been common sense. >> what do you see as a barrier for the adoption of this kind of thought? >> the biggest barrier, in my opinion is rote learning, where i do a lot of drill and practice, because that is what you contest. when you teach something that's pure memorization, arguably it's testable and you can say at the end, the people who forced the kids to do that memorization have done well, hence should be compensated, but that's a very different kind of learning than project oriented type of
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learning. the children do things and basically fall in love with a project. multiple kids have difficult points of view. it's peer to peer learns. that's good. that's the kind of learning you want. can you elaborate on that more a bit? >> age segregation, most people wouldn't call it that. it is that the 5-year-olds study with the 5-year-old and guess what, the next year they become 6. that's a leftover from the industrial age some people have understood this. not just that the older child teaches the younger child so
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you're saying it's done for the benefit of the children as opposed to the benefit -- >> it's absolutely fer. you can test and put into age groups you have to learn a before b and b before see, but not all learning is like that. >> then the last thing on your list so to create one nationwide school district. explain why that's so important,ened how do you respond to people who say, i worked hard to buy this big expensive house, why should the money we make here go to the places that don't work as hard as i do or don't have all the
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money that we do one part is how do you finance school? to finance it on taxes may be a strange thing to do. i'm pretty sure we're the only country that does that. they're amazed we fund education on the basis of real state taxes? but second, and it's a totally separate sure, the 14,000 school districts we have in this country is basically more school districts than the rest of the worldcom bind the business you can do is make a recommendation and it really doesn't stick. when i go to a foreign country i deal with one person, the minister of education, and the buy entire country will follow
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the principles. the good part is you can make fundamental change very quickly versus dealing with 14,000 school districts headed by people all of whom think they know about education, all of whom think know about learning. >> a real pleasure to learn from you and speaking with you, nick. do come back. >> i will. if you want to learn mo are about his efforts, obviously you can look it up on the web. still ahead on the d.r. show, does the health kay law go too far? not far enough? you know from my book, if you don't break the employer-based health care system and the insurance monopoly i'm not quite sure what you do or what you've done, but the heck with me. the young turk in the house, has his daily rant teed up. plus both president obama and vice president biden telling democrats to, quote, buck up.
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welcome back. nice to see you. the ladies, if your man never tells you sorry, don't take it personally. a new study from the university of waterloo says men are more likely to say i'm sorry. it's not that they apologize less on purpose apparently, it's just that they're less likely to feel they have done anything wrong in the first place, which many women have probably figured out.
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the study found that men are less likely feel an apology is owed to them. that leaves us can a conundrum. either women needs to let more things slide, and i'm sorry, i don't think either of those is likely to happen anytime soon. so back to the drawing board. maybe we should call deepak and ask him how to solve that one. b. sawner had a question on our first segment. in particular one graphic we had. the tweed is this. the title screen that each union ping pays for grandma, how about the hundreds that grn ma paid that was referring to the amount of money that all of the old people have paid into the medicare and health care system
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compared to how many they take out. in this case for every dollar that has, was or would have been paid in, well, $3 are coming out. xh the total amount is that. so i'm not saying the investment that grandma or grandpa has made in the development of the young people in their lives is not only not valuable, but frequently priceless. i'm simply saying the old people's manipulation of our political system to suck money out of the future generations of this country in order to deal with or compensate for the lack of money that is there now is shameful. if you have something to share, log on. you can find me on twitter. we take a break. just ahead the democrats simply need to buck up. we'll talk to our special election pan. we are back after this. ♪
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well, they're back. and you've heard of the a-team. the e-team our interpretation of that minus the van. counting you done to the mid terms all same. each tuesday we're gathering the best political minds in the business to break down the party politics, money trail, an yes, got help us, the election through the eyes of some issues.
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with us today. the spars strategists from the left karen finney, and on the right brian donohue. we also have our money man lobbyist jimy williams. you have a law you want changed, send him a check, he'll make it happen. and jim rapdehei, a man known to bring me back to the reservation which i tend to stray. we begin with the words of our republican and many. time for the president it is to buck up, apparently. >> there's some on the democratic base, that are angry because we didn't get every single thing they want. it's tyke to buck up, understand we can make things better, continue to move forward. ivlgts the president gets better, people need to shake off
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the lethargy, people need to buck up, bringing about change is hard. it has been hard, and we've got some lumping to show for it. >> not good, but there's been no secret that celeb have been some tensions the truth is progressives are working hard to help, and actually this saturday in washington, d.c. there's a major rally with more than 500 progressive groups. there is motivation. i think the problem is just the disconnect between the white house and the progressive groups. we'll have to have a consukumba moment at some point. >> how do you have that? when the progressives want more reform, and you go down the list -- >> i think on both sides there's
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always the fringes, but then there are the people there fighting for change. that's a good thing. >> hope is in the hiring. that's what i've said before. this is what's going on. this is a party, with policies in trouble. you have the many, the vice president lecturing, shaming their base to come out from the sidelines. it is a sign of a lot of trouble. i saw this in our own party in '06 and '08. >> aren't a lot of the policies, jimy williams, a perpetuation of policies created -- >> yes, instead. this is a good thing about democrats. i want to talk about some accomplishments that they have done. s-chip, insurance for children. that's not a liberal or conservative idea, that's call health care for children.
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and southwest border security add, and lilly ledbert. >> but they're doing that by cutting men's pay. >> they're dug that by firing men. sorry, guys. >> thank for that. keep going, what else you got? >> a veterans bill, tobacco bill, cash for clunkers. i can go on and on and on. >> more spending, more governme government. >> people are tired of it. >> t.a.r.p. and recovery and bailout. let's see. more spending, you're right. george bush inhated a surplus and ened with a $1.4 trillion deficit. where did that come from? let me get mr. vandehei. your interpretation of the buckup meeting? >> i think on the one point he
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has a value point. i think some days liberals will look back and say my gosh, look at what we've done. >> but every part is unhappy for some reason with barack obama for not doing enough. they thought he would come in, change things instantly and get the agenda through, but guess what? it only will get harder. after the election you'll have a republican majority or much narrower majorities, and he has to move more. they'll get even less the next two years, so this will be a bigger problem for obama as he manages his reelection. >> the politics of this country having convened in washington, d.c. having come back, you had a story elaborating on how much
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fund-raising, how intense the frenzy is. >> the big one is what you need to no, 400 fund-raiser, there's a massive dissect both in interpretation and in reality between washington and the rest of the country. unemployment is lower in most sectors of washington than the rest of the country. the money in politics is grows. that is why so many people wlrks it's the tea party movement are more and more frustrated. >> to that end, you've talked to me off-camera, one of the reasons you're on this set an willing to talk the way you're talking is because you want people to understand the type of work a man like yourself does and how that is in fact is something part of our system, but in your view should not be done in secret but done in
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public. >> kudos for the people on politico saying how many fund-raisers. that's the point, if you get money out of politics, i'm a lobbyist, a federally registered lobbyist, i have to take my clients and the folks in the administration, the congress, and i have to get them to go and talk about policy. you take money out of it, then i'm on the same playing field as everybody else in policy. >> theoretically they still have to. >> money is fungible. at the end of the day -- >> that's the problem. take the money out of it. my client's policy assistants on its face. >> i disagree. >> that's not what he's saying. >> we know wilt hallmarks will
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be the amount of money that's gone into ads run against various candidates. >> we have a new kind of way to hide the money you're spending, the super pacs. >> you can come out and list everything that barack obama did, and those things may be the great value, and you can talk about what the republicans would do difficultly, but both parties have such an appearance of hip chrissy basically being ball by a certain portion of our country, i don't see how either party comes out, look better three months from now. >> don't is ask people in washington about america. ask people in washington -- i ask my brother who lives in south carolina, i ask my next-door neighbors in virginia, they're basically independents, i've said to both of them. if you take money out of politicia politicians, do you think that
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will solve most of the problems in politics? the answer is yes, it will. >> the roberts court under bush that has giving us the supreme court decision that says -- tomorrow you could be dill gan ratigan, say anything up, and that the be legal now. >> now i know what i'm doing tomorrow. give audrey the bill. let's talk about the white house for a second. we have seen a string of folks on the way out. the latest and graeters. interpretations from the floor. start with you, brian, how do you see what's going on at this white house? >> sure, summers is out, axelrod is out, in the spring realm is out. it's a white house in trouble, clearly.
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they need some folks out there there will be a read neat to do that. >> why is that so absurd? >> i think this is a good opportunity. >> the last time i checked, i'm pretty sure there's not been a single president in the entire history of this country, since 1789, not one single president since we've had chiefs of staff that a chief of staff hasn't left within the first two years. i could by wrong, but i think that's correct. so tell me why this white house is, quote, in trouble. ? please. >> sure, maybe there's transitions in every administration, but is it in transition at a time when the popularity and resources are diminishing? >> you have no idea the demand on your time. i mean, its birthdays missed, family events missed and people
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get burned out. a lot of these people worked on a very grueling campaign and then right into the white house, so you can't blame people for saying, hey, i need to spend time with my kids. it's a pretty common thing to see this turnover. >> mr. vandehei, last word. >> historic think yes, there is a lot of turnover. there would not be this much if there frustration. obama is no worse situation than clinton or reagan. the first couple years when you have a bad economy, it's an impossible tile to govern. the question is can he turn things around? history shows you easily can. the question is, can he readapt in a way that does not so infuriate the left? i think that will be the big test. >> an absolute pleasure to have you, mr. vandehei, mr. donohue,
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karen finney, thank you so much. jimy williams back with us tomorrow for the premiere of "follow the money with jimy williams" which is a huge new segment. the comcast people i think are excited about it. >> we talked about that. >> it will consist of two or three minutes a few times a month where we talk about money with jimy williams. coming up on "hardball" anchoring from belfast -- apparently his plates work. we could v we can't even get out of the billing. chris is there ahead of him, talking to p.j. o'rourke. but first, daily ranting, talking about why the president just doesn't get it when it comes to the liberals and health care. we're back after this.
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we've got a health care bill that becomes more apparent every day how much it does for people and biggss, because because there was no public option, some say we're not going to participate. >> vice president biden in an interview last night. mr. yewer, the floor is yours. >> thank you, dylan a perfect example of saying his base is whining, the president said the actions of the base is inexcusable and irresponsible,
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how dare they challenge the president? mr. president and mr. vice president, let me tell you what you did wrong, what you screwed up the bill was opposed about i 40%, 30% supported and 30% were neutral. the apparent wisdom is because, my god, the country is so angry, you did a socialist takeover, you tried so hard. well, when you look at the new associated press poll, that is not the case at all. by a 2:1 margin, americans say you did too little, not too much. that's what we were trying to tell you, we were the messengers. we were your friends, trying to look out for you and telling you you're not doing the right thing. the great majority of the country is going, my god, my health care bill is city going up, the system hasn't changed.
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we're not the ones who created this problem, you should have done the change you promised up. the same associated press poll has 25% of the country says that weshl only do a bit of tinkering. the rest of the country, the overwhelming majority says we needed real change, big change, and you didn't give it to us. you gave us the same big drug deals, big pharma deals as bush did, identical, and if in return we had actually gotten a bit of changing of the insurance system, we could have lived with it you joke about that, no way you were going to try for single payer. medicare buy-in, you didn't try. and we thought maybe just a tiny bit of change, the public option is not a big deal, but it provides some competition. what did you do, mr. president? you didn't try for that, either,
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it is dismissed at it, you still laugh it. guess what? the rest of the country is laughing at you, because you didn't give the change they asked for you. you try to blame the messenger? you live in a bubble inside d.c. where you're trying to please your buddies, the right wingers and media who tut-tut at you. you're not giving it to us. stop living inside that bubble. break out! and now we've got him saying we're inexcusable and irresponsible? guess what? this is a coordinated message by the president, the vice president, robert gibbs. they're setting it up to scapegoat their own base when they lose the election. that is ridiculous. go out there and actually fight for a change and people will vote for you. >> maybe they're the ones that need to buck up. >> hell ya, they need to
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